Benbox Laser DIY Machines

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: HaniC on January 10, 2017, 07:56:49 PM

Title: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: HaniC on January 10, 2017, 07:56:49 PM
So, I ordered an A5 size 2500mW Eleksmaker Laser Engraver kit last week and am yet to receive it.

I was just browsing around today and came across this:

http://www.banggood.com/2-Axis-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Board-Controller-Laser-board-For-DIY-Laser-Engraver-p-1015557.html

This is the control board and it appears to be the new one superseding the old L7. It's a Mana SE I believe. It's the same product ID as the old L7 and a few days ago it was showing pics of the original controller but now pics are of new hardware (with 3 pin laser connector for TTL version?). Here's what they say:

"(Now the original board and the new one will send in random, but in the future, the new boards will replace the original ones, hope your kindly understanding, thank you:) )"

Also, on the A3 version someone wrote a review recently claiming that they got a kit with this new version of controller and with TTL laser instead of the traditional standard version. The reviewer seemed pissed about it but this is a good thing thing right? I should hope I get this version?

If interested here is the link to the A3 version - Check 3rd review from top dated 4th Jan:

http://www.banggood.com/2500mW-A3-30x40cm-Desktop-DIY-Violet-Laser-Engraver-Picture-CNC-Printer-Assembling-Kits-reviews-p1003863.html

I am betting they are going to replace all versions with this proper TTL version in a short while. They've even linked new software this month called EleksCAM. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: HaniC on January 10, 2017, 07:58:13 PM
Another reviewer also received the updated kit. Review dated the 9th.

Shipped fast. Now in the box is included an instructions sheet (wich is helpful with the video provided here). Assembling time approx 1hr. The control board is entirely new: laser pwm enabled by default, new laser with calibration swich, mill output connector and other nice things (the board itself is called Mana SE). Overall good product, cames with few spare parts and assembling tools. The software provided is quite functioning, but there are others capable of driving this machine better.

I think people may be receiving versions at random until old version stocks are exhausted.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: HaniC on January 11, 2017, 03:41:08 PM
For anyone interested, I received my kit today and it is infact the Mana SE version with 2500mW laser with on board TTL/PWM.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Administrator on January 11, 2017, 03:54:54 PM
For anyone interested, I received my kit today and it is infact the Mana SE version with 2500mW laser with on board TTL/PWM.

We are all interested...!!! Good news...!!!
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: robertch on January 12, 2017, 12:56:13 AM
will be interested to receive mine just bought my first unit last week the 2500w should be here in the next few days i assume what is being discussed here is a good thing ?

when i get it how do i tell if i have revived the new version ?
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: msm on January 12, 2017, 01:19:31 AM
Do we know if you can still flash the new GRBL to these boards so we can still use the alternative software?
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: BritVic on January 12, 2017, 01:56:22 AM
re - "Do we know if you can still flash the new GRBL to these boards so we can still use the alternative software?"

Well someone had to say it! Good question...... Have the software boys got to start over?
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: ROSS on January 12, 2017, 02:29:30 AM
The site I found this morning says the following

EleksMaker-Mana 3 Axis stepper motor drive control board for CNC Arduino GRBL/Benbox laser engraving machine Plotter Dispenser
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: msm on January 12, 2017, 02:49:07 AM
Quote
The site I found this morning days the following

EleksMaker-Mana 3 Axis stepper motor drive control board for CNC Arduino GRBL/Benbox laser engraving machine Plotter Dispenser

I'm hoping that means GRBL will go on fine and therefore all the software that uses this will be fine. I have not received my kit yet (only ordered a few days ago) but once I have I will have a play around with it to see what happens!
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: ROSS on January 12, 2017, 03:43:50 AM
I'm hoping that means GRBL will go on fine and therefore all the software that uses this will be fine. I have not received my kit yet (only ordered a few days ago) but once I have I will have a play around with it to see what happens!

Ha!  its Chinese so depend on it!
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: HaniC on January 12, 2017, 05:12:21 AM
Ok, quick update. Everything is the same as L7 but laser pin is on D11 for PWM. Arduino board appears to still be a nano(ish) board and I can still upload grbl 1.1e onto it and use other software.

So for all intents an puposes, its just an upgrade to the previous version with full TTL laser functionality.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: ROSS on January 12, 2017, 05:49:56 AM
Thanks Hani....
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: msm on January 12, 2017, 06:20:06 AM
Brilliant, thanks for checking that.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Administrator on January 12, 2017, 09:45:48 AM
Ok, quick update. Everything is the same as L7 but laser pin is on D11 for PWM. Arduino board appears to still be a nano(ish) board and I can still upload grbl 1.1e onto it and use other software.

So for all intents an puposes, its just an upgrade to the previous version with full TTL laser functionality.

Whew (wipes brow)...glad I don't have to start all over with BCL...!!!
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: ggallant571 on January 12, 2017, 09:49:10 AM
Gee, if you started over you would have a chance of getting it right.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Administrator on January 12, 2017, 09:51:07 AM
Gee, if you started over you would have a chance of getting it right.

Thanks for the encouragement George...!!!
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: ggallant571 on January 12, 2017, 10:13:16 AM
You can find the definition of "Right" in the "Book of Software Ethos" by St. George.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: nottingham82 on January 12, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Gallant is mean when he's drunk
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: ggallant571 on January 12, 2017, 12:18:22 PM
I'm in Maine. Pot is legal now.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: HaniC on January 12, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
OK, Another update:

The Mana SE has an onboard DC to DC converter that generates 5V from the 12V input to power an an optional bluetooth module and also the arduino directly (i.e. when not using a USB cable). By default this 5V rail is not connected to the arduino but it can be by bridging a couple of solder pads with a soldering iron. These pads are located under the arduino so you will need to lift it off to access the pads.

There is a connector on the side of the board to connect the bluetooth module:
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2m35hdz.jpg)

The bluetooth module that can be used would be something like this:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/zn9e8z.jpg)

Available here:
http://www.banggood.com/HC-06-Wireless-Bluetooth-Transceiver-RF-Main-Module-Serial-For-Arduino-p-80364.html (http://www.banggood.com/HC-06-Wireless-Bluetooth-Transceiver-RF-Main-Module-Serial-For-Arduino-p-80364.html)

This would simply replace the serial connection to the PC (or phone or tablet) via USB cable with a serial connetion via bluetooth for wireless connectivity. A nice little addition. I haven't tried it but I think it shouldn't be too difficult to get this to work. I might do it at a later date to simplify things.

Note: You probably don't want to have both the onboard DC-DC converter powering arduino as well as the USB cable. So no USB cable should be connected when the arduino is powered from the onboard DC-DC converter - There will probably be some hardware conflict. This could be resolved by making a hardware change on the arduino itself.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: nottingham82 on January 12, 2017, 09:16:54 PM
yeah i have blueteeth stuff.  I dont want my laser reliant on that wonderful piece of technology!!  Bluetooth the scourge of wireless connections since 1994
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: HaniC on January 12, 2017, 09:17:45 PM
There is a slight issue with this board though which may not be only relevant to this version.

Occasionally, the laser will turn on by itself when you don't want it on. You need establish serial connection with the arduino before turning on the control board to prevent this from happening. There is a defined "power ON" process in the picture of the post above.

Also, when connecting or disconnecting certain PC software this can happen as well.

It seems like the hardware defaults to laser on, when the PWM pin is floated (arduino not yet running) or even if the arduino is not there. It can be probably be fixed by making a hardware mod but I haven't analysed it that deeply yet. 
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: ROSS on January 12, 2017, 10:49:33 PM
I must look for fire extinguishers on Google then...............
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Dutchwoodenshoes on January 17, 2017, 12:24:09 PM
Hello, newbie here,

I also recieve the Mana SE this week from banggood, i'm testing but i don't wich firmware i need

I have download and install T2

Is there someone who can help me? Where must i begin?
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Administrator on January 17, 2017, 12:26:29 PM
You can flash Grbl 1.1e for both T2 and BCL.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Dutchwoodenshoes on January 17, 2017, 12:47:50 PM
Thank you, wich firmware? See att
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Zax on January 17, 2017, 01:23:45 PM
The one on the main menu, 1.1e not any of the custom firmware.
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: echo4golf on January 17, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
Gee, if you started over you would have a chance of getting it right.

Oh Myyyyiiieeeeee!
Title: Re: Updated Banggood Laser kits? (Mana SE and TTL Laser)
Post by: Dutchwoodenshoes on January 18, 2017, 01:08:35 AM
Thanks for the help, now it works [with T2]