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korbabub

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Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« on: September 06, 2017, 08:57:37 AM »
Hi everyone.
I am currently running a3 pro with a 2.5w laser. I tried engraving some things on acrylic but the laser is unfortunately too weak. So after seeing the thread on eleks forum that they made a Z axis I would like to engrave physically on acrylic, and if possible, cut vinyl (simillar to a plotter). In the thread, someone posted that these things:
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=160
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=105&product_id=130
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=120
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=125
are enough to turn the laser into a "cnc-plotter like machine", is that true? What about mounting the spindle to the frame? Does it come with a mounting or are there good quality ones to 3d print? I'd like to be able to change from laser to the "cnc" mode and from cnc to laser as fast as possible, depending on what do I have to do. Would that be possible?
Sorry for the storm of questions, couldn't find any thread that would answer these  :P
« Last Edit: September 06, 2017, 08:59:07 AM by korbabub »

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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2017, 09:05:30 AM »
I have not heard anything good with vinyl with our machines.

If you go with the Z axis, it would allow you to change from laser to spindle quickly. One thing you will need to do is get a new controller board. You need one with 3 axis
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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2017, 09:07:31 AM »
It would certainly allow you to engrave the acrylic, but as for cutting vinyl you would need some way to have the Z floating but it could be done.

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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2017, 09:10:12 AM »
Just about ANY cnc machine can be modified for other cnc uses.
Laser
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Eleksmaker has a Z axis that is intended for the it laser machinces. You need a 3 axis board.

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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2017, 09:16:48 AM »
Also remember, being that our machines are belt driven, any milling/cutting (anything with axis resistance) do be done will be slower than other machines that use a lead screw.

We have the ability, but not the torque  ;)
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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 09:20:49 AM »
Shapeoko and Xcarve, are extruded aluminum belt driven cnc machines, which people have modified to housing milling cutters.

With the low power laser machines needs to be secured in place prior to using a Z drilling/cutting.

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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 09:54:50 AM »
Well, thats good to hear :D
@Zax
I don't quite understand, does it let's say "drill" with one continous line, without moving upwards in places which aren't going to be engraved? Here is an example of what I'd like to do, every letter "etched" seperatly. In this example it's quite detailed, I believe it was made using a laser, I'm curious if I could achieve such small details physically. The same goes with vinyl, but that would just be lines to cut from plt file. Honestly the vinyl cutting thing concerns me at most, because I am planning on changing the laser to a 40w co2 (hopefully :D) and I think that would allow me to engrave on acrylic and glass, whereas the eleks could serve as a vinyl cutter.

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That's ok I think, I am only going to etch the acrylic like 0,2-0,5mm deep.
As for the securing it in place, I think L brackets are going to do the job? I have built a box-enclosure for my laser, I am going to show it soon, maybe someone would find it helpful :D
And as for the mounting, does it come as well or would I have to diy it?
So thanks for the answers so far, here is the example of what I'd like to achieve. I tried engraving on acrylic using my 2.5w but it's too weak.
http://imgur.com/gallery/lPyed
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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 09:59:10 AM »
That is what the Z-axis does, T2Laser tells it when to lower and cut or raise and move between letters etc.

You can get very small detail with a V-cutter and I also support 3D CNC where the cutter follows the grey scale to produce a relief image.

Vinyl cutting requires something like the EleksDraw or better yet a dedicated vinyl cutter.

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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 10:00:17 AM »
yes brackets ahould work; the machine frame needs to be held in place and brackets should work.

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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2017, 10:03:09 AM »
If you have a 3D printer or access to one, some have been made for our machine
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2068164
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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 10:12:58 AM »
@Zax
Oh, I think I understand your point now :D Well, so I'm going to make some experiments, i think the biggest problem would be that the vinyl could be moving or the edges could be somehow damaged, I have a piece of oracal foil next to me and it's quite thick, but we will see :)
So my shopping cart consits of:
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=160
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=105&product_id=130
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=120
http://store.eleksmaker.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=125
http://eleksmaker.guangdayun.cc/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=185
I am probably going to buy the cutters/etchers somewhere locally. Now about the mounting, does someone know if I'd receive it and it'd be a "plug and play" or would I have to 3D print it or something?
Thanks.
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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 10:45:24 AM »
there is a complete Z axis attachment, it attaches just like the laser.

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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 12:54:30 PM »
Shapeoko and Xcarve, are extruded aluminum belt driven cnc machines, which people have modified to housing milling cutters.

With the low power laser machines needs to be secured in place prior to using a Z drilling/cutting.

I will give you that. One thing I noticed on those machines is how the belts are secured to the gantry for Y axis movement. The belts are held on a lot more secure than our machines at lot tighter angles. The way these lasers are designed, there is a higher chance of the belt skipping on the pulley when compared to a Shapeoko or Xcarve
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Re: Eleksmaker compatible z axis
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2017, 03:07:16 PM »
If the laser alignment is not perfectly vertical the cuts will be worse.
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